I wonder what your thought is, Peter, on this culture, where it`s happening in Canada, the US, and the UK. Some have suggested - we`ve had guests on the show - that say China`s got troll armies that sow dissent. They push these messages and they`re very divisive, so I`m wondering what your thoughts are.
Yeah, I think it is a factor. I think it`s simplifying it somewhat but I think the fundamental debate is "Where do our rights come from?" And people on the left say that our rights come from the government tells us what our rights are and if you`re somebody - I don`t even want to say necessarily conservative, right-wing - I think it`s just a way of viewing it. The other alternative view is that, no, our rights come from God or come from the fact that we are human beings and that we are sovereign. And it seems to me that`s what so many of these debates are about. And China I think is playing a big role. They have these troll armies that try to pick fights and sow division online.
One of the things I talk about in the book are these very wealthy Chinese oligarchs (look red-handed - yeah, the book red-handed, exactly), a lot of these oligarchs that made their money with these state-owned companies or these state-linked companies like Alibaba and whatnot. There`s a guy featuring in the book named Josiah. He lives in California. He`s worth a billion dollars. Very tight with the CCP government and he goes on college campuses saying there are no human rights problems in China, everything`s great. But at the same time, he`s given a hundred million dollars to Black Lives Matter causes, and he talks about how unjust America is and how. Does he have the right to do that? Sure but how can you, in any universe, argue that America is this horribly unjust bigoted society and say that communist China is a great place to live.
It`s interesting China versus America is very much the same culture war as internally in America right yeah so I`ll give you an example of what - I`ll break down what I mean. The left is willing - left is the establishment left and for many left is a cultural leftist - lie cheat and steal to say whatever they have to say in order to win. They`ll ban, censor, shut down, silence etc. The right is constantly trying to play by some kind of rules and I don`t mean like the establishment right, I mean the culture war right which includes libertarians, moderates, post liberals etc.
They`re constantly saying thing that it`s remarkable just to - I`m not going to get into the overt specifics but it`s obvious to anybody who watches. The right is constantly trying to have a conversation with the left that the left is uninterested in having. The left has asserted its position as true and unfalsifiable and so be it. The right keeps saying, "Let`s work out a deal". Simple example is Joe Rogan and Spotify. They want to ban Joe Rogan, they want to shut his show down so they start pulling their music off the platform in response. Joe and Spotify give some concessions. Okay, we`ll put we`ll put advisories on these podcasts. But what about podcasts with Fauci? Are they going to include Dr Robert Malone in those advisories. They`re not going to do it so what keeps happening is the freedom-loving individuals keep conceding some points to the authoritarian left. Now on the grand international scale it`s the same thing with China. It is absolutist. The communist party. You oppose us you get crushed. Who`s that guy Jack Ma was that his name. Yeah gone money wiped away because how dare you right but in the united states we don`t do that to a certain degree you`ll get cancelled if you cross the line and you`ll lose because once again it`s the authoritarian left but because of this power imbalance and uh I would call it integrity and principle imbalance China can look at someone like LeBron James and say yeah we`re going to give you million dollars never talk bad about us he goes you got it yeah then he comes to the united states where the left plays by a similar game and they say don`t screw with us we are the ones who are going to make sure your contracts stay in but if you challenge us we`ll get them revoked so what happens America is really bad why the left agrees and the Chinese communist party agrees right those that are playing by the rules are getting wiped out yeah
And bizarrely there`s a consistency to that that the United States is terrible in China is great and in both cases you get paid you don`t pay any price really in today`s culture popular culture uh for disagreeing with BLM I mean you get cancelled so the path to least resistance is basically to embrace these sort of left-wing ideas and it`s the same thing with China and you never pay a price for it I mean as I point out in the book with LeBron James everybody knows the recent thing about the tweeting about Hong Kong and how he was defending them it goes back I mean he`s been doing this for years there was a crisis you guys might remember back in Darfur you had in Sudan black Christians were slaughtered in the south by this regime the regime was backed by the Chinese government and there was actually a petition in the NBA to call out China because they were backing this regime that was slaughtering black Christians and LeBron James refused to sign the petition so for a guy who says black lives matter yeah the guy who believes black lives matter as we all do those black lives did not matter to him because he did not want to offend China but come on peter just
I want you to imagine something all right yeah it`s a snowy beautiful mountain you`re up top in a big square foot cabin, on the whole north face of the building is one big glass window and you wake up and you press the coffee button on your Keurig and it makes you a nice hot cappuccino and you walk to the window and you look out at this beautiful sunset you smile to yourself and say this million cabin was worth selling out all of those suffering people and you sip it and that`s what I imagine is going through LeBron and all these other guys heads when they`re they buy these properties and the money is they genuinely believe it`s worth it well and
it`s interesting that the people who are able to afford to buy off famous celebrities to espouse their political views are almost all on the left and one question I want to pose to everybody is when Justin Trudeau talks about these truckers do you think he actually knows any do you think Justin Trudeau has anyone in his life who does that professionally and I see it as a problem not necessarily of income inequality but of economic stratification so in the past income inequality existed but you were hanging out with people who were in different income brackets you knew farmers you knew plumbers you knew people who were in the working class even if you had an accounting job and a lot of that was the community that was built up at your church and I can testify to that as well at my church in my social group we`re fortunate enough to have all sorts of people from different economic brackets because we`re focused on a larger mission but nowadays people really gravitate towards their own in-group with respect to wealth and then they sort of pat themselves in the back because they think their particular in-group because it`s left-leaning represents the views of the working class but then when they hear what actual working class people have to say they lose their minds so I think at the end of the day a question that you need to ask yourself about any political leader is this a person who would fit in better with Walmart shoppers or whole foods shoppers and Justin Trudeau is not going to fit in with a group of people who live normal lives ------------
he`s not a whole foods shopper he`s uh what`s that place called Arowana
is that what it`s called never been there but it`s it called Erawan
I don`t know I`ve never heard that name maybe I don`t know no there`s a really expensive uh grocery store in LA that all the celebrities go to maybe I got the name totally wrong yeah we look at it but it`s like I was saying but that`s not really no that`s where we went as kids. Very expensive store. It`s in LA and I was outside once and I saw Jake Gyllenhaal walk in and it`s - that`s where the celebrities shop. That`s just what`s funny is yeah, I think you make it is really great. I know what you`re talking about. I mean is it Arohan. Justin Trudeau is the kind of guy who walks into a grocery store and there`s no milk and he`s," there must be a mistake. where`s the milk and then they`re well the truckers have stopped driving he`s what does that do with the milk? Well Mr. Trudeau the truckers bring the milk they do what and I
I honestly think that when it comes to people like Trudeau or when it comes to so many of these woke left-wing people first of all having those views is almost certainly an indicator that you spend most of your time with really wealthy people, yeah and secondarily if you do hold those views generally when you`re dealing with a working-class person it`s because you`re telling them what to do and they have to because it`s their job and so I think that`s a big part of the reason why they`re completely unwilling to negotiate because from their perspective. They always get to tell people in this bracket what to do and they obey, so when they stand up for themselves, they can`t stand it. And it`s not just that they can`t stand it - they can`t even comprehend it. Has to be racism. They have to put it in this box of some sort of bigotry because that`s the only way they know how to analyse the world is …
Is Trudeau a servant of the Canadian people in the United States or is he a puppet of the queen?
he`s a question he`s supposed to be a servant but it`s interesting at the heart of what you`re saying and what you shameless were saying earlier um there`s a quote in the book I have because the Trudeau family has this long history of relationship with the Chinese government and there`s this uh amazing question that Justin Trudeau`s asked in he`s a member of parliament and he`s asked is there anybody on the world stage that you as a political figure sort of really admire uh some country in the world and he doesn`t say the united states he doesn`t say great Britain he says China I admire China and they ask why do you admire China and his answer to your point chamber says well if you`re the leader of China you can just get done you can get things done it`s efficient and he talks about climate change and he says you don`t have to debate all these things you just get things done how you respond to someone that if I was sitting down
if I was talking to Trudeau and he said that I`d be Justin spot on I mean when you`ve got a global pandemic for instance and you can just weld the doors shut poor people exactly so they just die right you don`t get to worry about a pandemic why should I get sick let them die what I mean right and it`s I. "Look I`m trying to build a highway for instance and these poor people think they can own land. Just get them out allow them out of the way yeah where do they live who cares screw them they`re poor people they`re not paying taxes right now
there`s a certain efficiency to a dictatorship and that`s attractive to Justin Trudeau and there`s other people that say the same thing but Trudeau it`s so interesting to me because it`s exactly what you guys were saying earlier that that he doesn`t have a connection people become just these objects you move around on the chessboard right if you don`t have a connection with them if you don`t know truckers if you don`t know farmers you just they`re things to be moved around on a chessboard and that`s the mentality of a dictator
exactly I apologize if I was a little snide you in my reply to you sort of asking if Trudeau was a servant but I also think that it`s so telling that when Trudeau is looking at communist China the person he empathizes with is the dictator the person in control he doesn`t look at communist China right and think about the people living there and how horrible that would be he immediately associates himself with the communist dictator that`s very telling how that doesn`t end a political career I will never know how people call Justin Trudeau Castro yeah kind of Castro like Castro well because they I mean there are people who genuinely believe he`s the son of Fidel Castro right but just in terms of being a dictator just kestrel is so uh on point he was born to Pierre right Pierre yeah so he was basically raised bred to be elite a leader that`s not the right word, yeah to be a prime minister right uh obviously
well, I think he might be a poor leader. I agree so what so he was just raised psychotically in that environment
yeah I mean it it`s funny when you look at the family history like his dad Pierre Trudeau he was the one that opened up relations between Canada and China diplomatic relations and then when he left the prime ministership and he had been this pro kind of Mao he wrote this ridiculous book where he went to China and he meets these uh pioneer children, these seven-year-old kids running around with the red flags and they`re chanting these Maoist sayings and he`s saying this is the future of the country. But when he leaves the premiership in Canada, he opens up a consultancy helping to get businesses juiced in with the communist leadership in China because he had a good relationship with him. So that`s where the Trudeau family money comes from and so Justin grew up very privileged courtesy of the fact that his dad was doing all these deals in mainland China.
I had no idea that`s where the family wealth comes from yeah that`s really found wow from a series of deals that he did and Justin`s got a younger brother who`s kind of a former policy adviser of his name`s alexander has written some insanely horrific things about China again kind of this admiration for dictatorship people don`t understand it he says Canadians in a way are less free than people in China. it`s ridiculous stuff and that`s sort of the background of what Justin Trudeau grew up in what he heard from his dad what he heard from his brother and it now influences the way that he deals with China so when he sees truckers uh in Canada it`s not hard to take a leap and say this is imagine how a Chinese leader would look at truckers in China if they were doing the same thing.
He goes, I really wish I could just take their organs that would be such it would be a far more efficient country there`d be a way better way of doing things thank you, Justin.
Do you think that China is - we`ve asked a lot of people - this is actively engaged in sowing the conflict in our countries. yes making the culture war worse absolutely um and you look at uh various things you look at the donations that some of these guys are that are connected the regime are making they`re making donations to these divisive groups um you look at I think the whole question of covid I mean I`m not an expert but you at least got to entertain the idea uh that it was a lab leak but in congress, there hasn`t been a single congressional hearing about the origins of covid and I`m convinced part of it is because Nancy Pelosi and her family have their deals with Canada
There have been hearings that have addressed it.
But yeah Rand Paul has raised the question but they have to have a congressional hearing that says we`re going to explore the origins of COVID and lab leak Nancy Pelosi has refused to allow any of them being held on the house side the other thing I would add is on China is look at the whole fentanyl issue.
absolutely I mean where does the fentanyl come from? and it`s not just fentanyl it`s designer drugs as well yeah you`re familiar so for those that aren`t familiar for those that aren`t familiar designer drugs typically are some kind of narcotic or drug that is slightly altered in such a way that it now is legal although good luck explained to the cop the molecules that I have here are slightly different but a lot of this stuff comes from China they are they are producing drugs and shipping them over here illegally and they`re killing people yeah I mean it`s fourth and fifth generational war it is it is indirect but it is massively damaging the fentanyl problem and then potentially the drugs that come here designer drugs or otherwise could be laced with something and cause even more problems yes
this is the reversal of the uh opium wars it is the opium wars yeah we`re still in them yeah it`s revenge it`s years later years later we`re still in the opium wars now they`re just feeding it back to us through Mexico yeah so well so explain that what does that what does that mean well the opium wars um uh because of the opium trade in Asia the British empire and other powers sort of divided up they were so hungry to get access to opium and export it that um they took over portions of China and China became not completely but kind of a vassal state and they had a huge drug problem in China as well because of this demand and then they finally gained enough sort of national sovereignty to sort of beat it away but you actually find literature of Chinese military officers and others saying when fentanyl comes up well this is revenge for the opium war was that was that related to the boxer rebellion that was a part of it yeah that was part of it but China has been uh obsessed and I understand because this is terrible part of their history with extracting revenge on the western powers because they were so weakened they were this empire uh that had been largely defeated by the west uh and they want revenge and you see g talks about this all the time talks about this all the time that that by they`re going to be seized the commanding heights on the global stage they`re going to overcome the united states and there`s going to be payback for what the western powers did to his country years earlier so what the then is Klaus how does Klaus Schwab get into this
Is he accelerating this communist insurgence into the United States?
It`s so funny on all these guys you look at um uh some like Elon Musk and these guys have Elon Musk says some great things and then he says some crazy things about China about how China`s more representative than the united states and I mean it`s just crazy stuff and you have to decide with all these guys whether it`s Klaus Schwab is are they just doing it for the money or do some of them actually believe it and I think some of them actually believe it I think a lot of them do it because they want access to China they want access to the Chinese market a guy like Klaus Schwab I think is a true believer and he said that that hey they`ve got good market reforms in China and yeah it`s you got this dictatorship but that`s less important because they`ve got this market that they`ve set up it`s crazy stuff so he`s I think a true believer he`s not just doing
it is it because the I don`t the Chinese bank does it get its money from the bank of international settlements in Switzerland as well as so could Klaus and his buddies just shut off the Chinese economy
so they`re really not afraid of the Chinese government it`d be hard to shut off the Chinese economy because it`s so wedded in so many ways financially and otherwise and that`s been the thing right we were told for years for years if we just traded with them if we just gave them access to our financial markets if we let them watch our movies and buy our clothes they`re going to become more like us and no they haven`t they`re their dictator we`ve become more like them amen
Elon musk is tweeting support for the truckers yes and there`s rumours going on I haven`t I haven`t verified this but liar.com is reportedly owned by Elon musk I don`t know if that`s true but people are claiming it is and it links to Trudeau`s Wikipedia page and it`s associated with a donation I don`t know if any that`s true so fact check that one but it`s a viral tweet going around where people are claiming this yeah and maybe Elon musk is just playing uh both sides yeah it could be and look I think in musk`s case
if I were to guess he`s got a big tesla factory in China. They built it for him China`s a big growth market he`s saying stuff because he wants access to the market but some of these Wall Street guys they are true believers they believe in these leaders they think they`re better than ours they think the system is better than ours um and to my mind they`re just sell-outs well can I ask you
how could they possibly believe something like that are they genocide deniers do they pretend that it`s not actually happening over there, or do they think that their market is so efficient that it justifies that kind of behaviour well
so I`ll give you an example that sort of blows my mind there`s a guy I don`t know if you guys have heard of him his name is Ray Dalio he runs the largest hedge fund in the united states Bridgewater associates and he wrote a book in called principles which is ironic based on what I`m about to tell you in that book he talks about a the second most powerful man in China named wonky Shawn who he says I`ve known him for a long time and he says wonky Sean has almost helped me tap the secrets of the universe and he talks about this quasi-religious experience that he`s had just meeting with these guys this guy he`s so wise I`ve learned so much from him and he`s been this remarkable force for good for years I thought well who the hell is this wonky shanghai so I started looking it up he`s g`s enforcer he`s in charge of party discipline he`s the guy that throws people in jail and has them tortured now why would you as a smart guy like Ray Dalio write something like that and then you realize that he wrote that he said a bunch of other nice things and then his hedge fund got the first opportunity of any other hedge fund in the world to sell hedge fund products to the Chinese
I guess if you`re elite if you`re extremely wealthy you feel safe and secure in doing your dealings yes and then it`s the people of the world who suffer for it
yeah if you`re elite I mean you`re assuming if things go south you`re still going to be okay your family`s going to be saying I think you`re right yeah and
uh not to make any specific uh accusations about Ray Dalio here right but we do know statistically that people who trade on wall street are actually more likely to be psychopaths and sociopaths now I can`t give someone that that kind of diagnosis but those are the behaviours of a psychopath to praise somebody who would do that kind of thing because you think it`ll get you money
